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Interview with Brett Lloyd – The Thankful Carnivore

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Interview with Brett Lloyd – The Thankful Carnivore

There’s a lot to be thankful for in life, and for Brett Lloyd, changing his diet and switching to a carnivore diet has given him a lot to be thankful for. He lost over 100 lbs, improved the quality of his sleep, got rid of his depression symptoms, is no longer plagued by anxiety, and now gets to help others as a MeatRX Carnivore Coach. 

He is 60 years old, and unlike many others his age, he does not have to take any medication. 

He calls himself the Thankful Carnivore, and I’m so thankful that he agreed to do an interview with me for The Hart of Health. 

What first convinced you to try the carnivore diet?

After hearing the testimonials from Dr Jordan Peterson, Dr Shawn Baker and Amber O’Hearn describing what they experienced personally from only eating meat, salt and water while recognizing these are people of great integrity and sincerity, I knew I had to give this way of eating a long-term try because I was sick and tired of being sick and tired.

You claim that the carnivore diet has helped you with depression and anxiety. What was your experience with anxiety and depression like before going carnivore? How quickly did you notice improvements in your mental health since going carnivore?

Depression is horrible. I felt like I had a 50lb anvil on my head 24/7! It was there when I woke up in the morning. It wore me down throughout every day making EVERYTHING I did so much more difficult than it needed to be. I became unable to perceive my environment accurately. My wife who I adore would say things to me and what I would hear would be twisted and filtered by my illness  – never in my favour, creating frustration for both of us because I couldn’t understand her at all and she kept talking to me like I was sane when I was anything but sane. I was very angry all the time because of this and my quality of life was minimal. I was so sick, I was unable to work any job outside our home. I was miserable in the extreme with no hope for any future.

Anxiety is a life stealer. I lost many days to anxiety being frightened out of my mind over what I know now was nothing to be concerned about at all. If the car broke down, I would automatically start running ridiculous scenarios over and over again in my brain till my thoughts were racing uncontrollably and I would have to take an Ativan as prescribed and sleep it off. This occurred 100s of times every year.

On the 24th day of eating meat and drinking water, August 9th, 2018 I felt my depression symptoms leave me. All the rage, the fury, the infinite sadness, hopelessness and shadowy doom just went away. The depression was replaced by a waterfall of joy and happiness that has not wavered for a single moment in 1108 days (as of this writing) of eating meat and drinking water. 5 months after I started Carnivore, my anxiety symptoms were in full remission. The insomnia that I suffered from for decades gradually over 10 months just faded until it was completely gone.

You’ve lost more than 100 lbs on a LCHF and carnivore diet. Can you tell us more about what your diet was like before, which diets you tried in the past, and how you ended up losing all the weight?

Before I started low carb in Feb 2015, I ate a lot of sugary garbage along with tons of carbs – chips, ice cream, granola cereal, candy cereals like Captin’ Crunch, huge coconut cakes, coconut cream pie. I drank gallons of grape juice because I thought “this is healthy!” I ate grapes in huge quantities, bananas, nightly popcorn popped in vegetable oil and toasted sandwiches with margarine melted on them. I ate meat every lunch and dinner but meals were mostly carbs and tomatoes. I ate potatoes with nearly every meal in huge quantities. 

How has the quality of your sleep changed since going carnivore?

On carnivore, my quality of sleep has improved drastically from before starting this wonderful way of eating. I’m not sleeping more hours, usually just 5, occasionally 5.5 hours a night. Yet, I wake up rested and energetic every morning.

How has your overall health changed since going on the carnivore diet?

I lost 40+ years of chronic, severe depression, anxiety and insomnia. I lost eczema from my skin. Numerous skin tags fell off. My libido is where it was when I was a MUCH younger man. My ankles and heels no longer crack and bleed from dryness. My eyesight improved to the point that Florida DMV took the eyeglass requirement off my driver’s license. I lost haemorrhoids, sour gut and all digestive issues were resolved by eating meat and drinking water! Every aspect of my life has been immensely improved via this nutritious way of eating!

What are some of the top lessons you learned while being on a zero-carb, zero-plant, and zero-sugar diet for more than 1100 days?

First thing I realised is I had been sorely misinformed about what’s actual nutrition vs garbage that is marketed and sold as “food”. I learned the absence of sugar, plants and carbs in my diet vastly lowered the inflammation in my body – more specifically, my brain! Waking up on the 10th morning without joint pain for the 1st time as an adult was staggeringly wonderful! I learned all the medical professionals I had turned to for care and relief from severe mental illnesses were woefully ignorant of the impact of diet on my illnesses.

The 2nd most profound lesson I learned was that this way of eating is LIBERATING! It is not “restrictive”. Mental illness is many orders of magnitude more restrictive than only eating meat will ever be. Living without inflammation is freeing and unlocked abilities and skills within me I have only been vaguely aware of prior to my healing.

What are you the most thankful for when it comes to the carnivore diet?

It’s a tie between losing my depression symptoms on the morning of August 9, 2018, and helping people who suffer as I once did free themselves from the chains of depression/anxiety. I thank God every day for teaching me about eating only meat and drinking only water!

As one half of a carnivore couple, what has it been like to experience the carnivore diet and its impact with your wife? 

My wife eliminated painful osteoarthritis from her shoulders and hands eating meat and drinking water, which was great for her, indeed! But what both of us living this way has done for our marriage is incredible. Our level of communication is vastly better. We don’t waste time arguing about silly, meaningly nonsense anymore. 

The most pleasant consequence of us both being carnivores is what it has done for our intimacy. It is difficult to articulate because it has become so amazing! We are hormonally in balance for the 1st time in our married lives and when you aren’t inflamed, everything works properly! At times, we feel like we are living in a fairy tale because our sex life has been transformed into something we never imagined was possible. It’s THAT good!

How has being on the carnivore diet affected your social lives as a couple? 

When I was sick, we had no social life. I seldom wanted to go anywhere and if we did go someplace, odds were high I would say many inappropriate things and make others uncomfortable or angry.

Now we LOVE to go feast with other carnivores every chance we get. The conversations are always interesting and very pleasant!

As a carnivore coach, what are some of the top pieces of advice you give to clients?

I give all my clients the same initial advice: “You must follow the directions for every meal every day, without exception, if you want to reap the rewards you seek:     

  1. Only eat when hungry.
  2. When hungry, only eat meat till you are not-another-bite full. 
  3. Only eat the meat you crave and can afford. 
  4. Never EVER put a sweet taste into your mouth.

Because without this foundation of carnivore for every meal every day, no one heals, in my experience.

JH: Thank you so much for agreeing to do this interview, Brett. I hope this interview inspired you as much as it has inspired me. Who knows, if you try the carnivore diet or a carnivore-ish diet, you just might discover your own long list of benefits to be thankful for.

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Can You Build Muscle on the Carnivore Diet?

Can You Build Muscle on the Carnivore Diet? Can you build muscle on a carnivore diet? If you’ve done some research about building muscle, you’ve probably come across the advice that you should eat carbs to help you gain muscle. This advice is pretty mainstream. Bodybuilder diets are often low in fat and high in carbs because they believe the carbs will help them build muscle. Those who don’t have aspirations of becoming bodybuilders and just want to gain muscle to look good and become stronger also typically opt for more carbs. This popular muscle-building diet approach has lead to many fearing that if they go on a low-carb diet like the carnivore diet, they’ll struggle to gain muscle. If you want to try the carnivore diet but you’re worried it will interfere with your goals, then hopefully I can put your mind at ease. How Do You Build Muscle? First, it’s important to understand what is required for your body to build muscle. To build muscle, you need to: Do resistance training and focus on progressive overload, which is when you make exercises harder by doing things like lifting heavier weights, slowing down your tempo, adding reps, and adding sets. Eat enough protein (aim for 1g to 1.2g per pound of body weight) Eat enough calories during the day and aim for maintenance calories or higher. You’ll struggle to build muscle if you're in a calorie deficit. If you prioritize fatty meat on a carnivore diet, it shouldn't be too hard to reach your calorie goals. Prioritise sleep and recovery: proper rest is very important for building muscle and helping your muscles repair. Sleep helps you produce more human growth hormone, which plays an important role in muscle building and strength. Do You Need Carbs to Build Muscle? Many voices in the health and fitness community will tell you that, in order to build muscle, you need to eat enough protein and load up on carbs. The carbs fill your muscles with glycogen for you to use during your workout, and eating carbohydrates can help your performance in the gym. But you don't need to eat carbs to help you build muscle, as long as you consume enough electrolytes, eat enough fat, and provide your body with the calories it needs. When you first switch to a low-carb diet like the carnivore diet and the keto diet, your performance when working out will likely decline for a few weeks while your body adjusts and becomes fat adapted. This is because you lose quite a bit of stored glycogen and you’re body hasn’t switched over to using fat as its main energy source yet. But once you are fat adapted, your performance when training should improve and it will become easier to build muscle. Where will you get glycogen from? Well, your liver produces it. And if you consume more protein than your body needs, it will turn it into glucose through a process called gluconeogenesis. But if you want, you can have carbs on a carnivore diet. I know, I know, many people in the carnivore community don't approve of the consumption of honey and dairy products but these come from animals and can definitely be included in a carnivore diet. So if you want the power of carbs to fuel you for your workouts, why not just have some honey or raw milk? If you can't tolerate dairy (like me), then you can get all the carbs you need from honey. You can be strategic and have your carnivore carbs before you train to give you energy and then again after to help restore the glycogen in your muscles. How Can the Carnivore Diet Help You Build Muscle? So many people who are trying to build muscle don't eat enough protein. You need to eat enough protein so your body gets the amino acids it needs to build muscle. If you've never tracked how much protein you consume in a day, you might be shocked to discover that you're not close to your protein goal of 1g to 1,2g protein per pound of body weight. If you're on a carnivore diet, you can easily get to your daily protein goal. Before I started doing The Lion Diet in January for World Carnivore Month, I struggled to reach my protein goals, but then once I started doing the carnivore diet, it became incredibly easy to reach this goal. Meat also provides you with a lot of creatine. Many people who are trying to build muscle will supplement with creatine because creatine helps give muscles more energy. Your levels of phosphocreatine will increase when you consume creatine, which your body then uses to make adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Creatine is found in meat. You can skip the supplements if you're on the carnivore diet due to the fact that you eat so much meat. A carnivore diet promotes healthy testosterone levels. Testosterone is very important for muscle building. If you consume a lot of sugar at once, it can significantly lower your testosterone levels (link). If you don't consume enough fat, your testosterone levels also won't be optimal since you need fat and cholesterol to produce it. Following a low-carb, high-fat diet like The Carnivore Diet can boost your testosterone levels, which will aid muscle growth. (link) Animal foods like red meat are also great sources of zinc, which your body also needs to produce testosterone. On the carnivore diet, you won't experience blood sugar fluctuations like you would on a high-carb diet. Stable blood sugar levels means stable energy levels, which means you'll perform better during workouts and can train harder. Your chances of experiencing a mid-workout energy dip are much lower on a carnivore diet. The Carnivore vs Vegan Diet The carnivore diet is far superior than the vegan diet when it comes to building muscle. First of all, animal foods are higher in protein than plant sources of protein like beans, nuts, rice and lentils. But, here is the truth. There are 20 amino acids your body needs to build muscle and 9 of them cannot be produced by your body, so you need to get them from your food. Foods that contain all nine essential amino acids are called complete proteins. There are no plant proteins that meet this criteria. You need to combine different plant protein sources (like mixing rice with beans) to get all the essential amino acids. But, meat and other animal sources of protein like cheese, eggs and yoghurt, are complete proteins. There's no combining necessary. Plant foods are also harder to digest. You definitely won't get the most out of the protein you're getting from plants. Meat and eggs are two of the easiest foods for the body to digest and get protein from. If you're on a muscle-building journey, why not try the carnivore diet for a few months and see how it affects your progress. I think it's also a great idea to do it if you were gaining muscle but have now hit a plateau. The carnivore diet could be just what you need to start seeing progress again and build that muscle you're after.

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